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Hello everybody and welcome back to My Weekly Flickr.

Well it looks like the two groundhogs must have been a little confused as there is certainly no sign of an early spring. Got 3 or 4 inches of snow this morning with a couple of nasty days ahead. Certainly not a big storm but just enough to be a nuisance and require having someone come and take care of it. I can only dream of milder weather.

I found myself back at the Met this week for their photography exhibition, Monumental Journey: The Daguerreotypes of Girault de Prangey. It was a very large installation in what I would have referred to as two galleries, each with multiple rooms. Just before the drawing corridor are three connected galleries that are devoted to special exhibitions. Just now I discovered that each of them is named after a Met benefactor, The Harriette and Noel Levine Gallery, The Karen B. Cohen Gallery and The Charles Z. Offin Gallery. In the Rodin and European painting corridor, off which lies the drawing corridor, there is another special gallery, this one devoted to photography and it is also named for a benefactor, The Howard Gilman Gallery. I’ve seen many exhibitions in all these galleries but again today I discovered that they can be connected. Usually they are kept separate by moveable walls.

It was a difficult exhibit for me as the plates are small and behind glass and my eyes are weak. So, like you, I will get my pleasure from viewing these photos on the web.

This is a link to the Met Overview page with a short video explaining how de Prangey created his double exposures. There are also links to view the exhibit gallery by gallery as well as all the objects in the exhibit.
https://tinyurl.com/y4xxe5es

These are various reviews of the exhibit, all with enlarged illustrations which helps, not to make a pun, enormously.

Musee Magazine
http://museemagazine.com/culture/2019/2/4/monumental-journey-a-review-of-the-daguerreotypes-of-girault-de-prangey

New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/31/arts/design/photography-girault-de-prangey-met-museum.html

Art & Object – Slide show with a number of objects
https://www.artandobject.com/articles/rediscovering-forgotten-pioneer-photography

These are some of the things I especially enjoyed. There were explanatory notes under each in picture in the exhibit which unfortunately weren’t transferred to the website.

Tuileries, Paris – This was taken in 1841 and is an illustration of something that no longer exists. In 1871 the Paris Commune took over the French government and did battle with the existing government. It was open civil war and the Commune ordered buildings that represent Royalty to be burned and the Tuileries were set aflame.  The Richelieu library of the Louvre, connected to the Tuileries, was also set on fire and entirely destroyed but happily the rest of the Louvre was saved by the efforts of the museum curators and fire brigades.
https://tinyurl.com/y2kg4z9s

Promenade et tours d’enceinte du palais de l’Alhambra à Grenade (Towers surrounding the Alhambra Palace, Granada) – This was the only painting in the exhibit and is a lovely romanticized depiction of the Alhambra. I found a larger version in the second link.
http://tinyurl.com/y65w3oj8
http://www.musees-langres.fr/musee-dart-et-dhistoire/vde-mah/promenade-et-tours-denceinte-du-palais-de-lalhambra-a-grenade/

Ramesseum, Thebes – This is one of the few watercolors in the exhibit, the second link is the daguerreotype.
http://tinyurl.com/yxuswkpq
https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/ph/original/DP-13897-025.jpg

Noël-Marie-Paymal Lerebours and Armand-Hippolyte-Louis Fizeau - Excursions Daguerriennes. Vues et monuments les plus remarquables du globe – This is one of several etchings done after daguerreotypes that are at the link. You can click on others. Second link is an enlargement.  This shows the Parthenon. Considering how much has been destroyed over the years it’s remarkable how much of this temple remains. And the amount of labor to create it must have been awesome not to mention backbreaking for the poor slaves who had to do it.
https://collectionapi.metmuseum.org/api/collection/v1/iiif/269123/1799887/main-image
http://tinyurl.com/y27gvd3p

North and East Sides of the Parthenon, Athens – This is a daguerreotype.
http://tinyurl.com/y3w2cgbl

Column of Trajan, Rome – Magnificent structure which contains a spiral staircase of 185 steps. Girault was presumably one of the first to brave the climb with the equipment required to make a panoramic photograph overlooking the city, with the Colosseum at center. The first link is the column, the second is the view. The third is the view enlarged.
http://tinyurl.com/y5zzk6yt
http://tinyurl.com/y5997v7t
http://tinyurl.com/y2596oul

Aleppo, Viewed from the Antioch Gate – In the top center of the picture is the minaret of the Great Mosque. This is something that no longer exists due to the war in Syria. The pointless destruction of ancient antiquities by fanatics is something to be greatly regretted along with the monstrous loss of life.
http://tinyurl.com/y4rn66gf

These photographs are really fascinating as you go through them and see the past unfold before your eyes as captured by a very talented gentleman.

In other art news, this will be in Sunday’s Magazine section of the New York Times. It’s a very long article on Jan Six who discovered a new Rembrandt at a Christie’s auction and then later found a second one. I initially read about this in September.  It’s a fascinating article delving into who he is, the history of his family, the unbelievable collection of Old Master’s that are in the family home and a controversy over whether he discovered the first painting on his own. He’s also doing something I can really appreciate, he has set  himself the task of seeing every single acknowledged Rembrandt in the world and has currently seen 80% of them. He discusses the frames for certain paintings in the family collection and why they should be changed. I recently read an article about a Thomas Cole painting that was restored to an original frame and general consensus was that it had vastly improved the quality of the painting. I sent my brother the article saying I didn’t see any difference between the two images, one in each frame. He wrote back and told me he agreed with consensus and why. I replied that for me I guess the problem is with my poor vision but that I would accept consensus. In this article Six makes a very valid case for why he wants to change the frames and I think it makes it that much clearer to me, again, no pun intended.

Rembrandt in the Blood: An Obsessive Aristocrat, Rediscovered Paintings and an Art-World Feud
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/magazine/rembrandt-jan-six.html

This article is a follow up to the recent one on the Irving’s, collectors of Asian art who were great benefactors of the Met. It speaks of the remainder of their collection after their bequests to the Met. It’s interesting in that it points out they worked with the Met curators to fill in gaps in the Met’s collection donating not necessarily the most expensive items but things the Met lacked and wanted.

How to Sell the Art Your Parents Spent Their Lives Collecting - Sysco Corp. founder Herbert Irving and his wife, Florence, spent years building a collection of Asian art. Now their estate is selling it.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-27/how-to-sell-the-art-your-parents-spent-their-lives-collecting?srnd=pursuits-vp

This looks to be a great exhibit coupling Botticelli with a cartoonist. I visited the Gardner many years ago and it was a treat. I’d like to go back but it’s a very long trip on the train.

Botticelli’s Beauties Meet Contemporary Cartoons at the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum—See Works From the Show Here
https://news.artnet.com/exhibitions/botticelli-isabella-stewart-gardner-museum-1471342

And all that’s left now is the Flickrs.

Andy G.

1982 Teenage Boy Wearing Pleated Skirt Crossdresser

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dianafranklin-ellis/40214086573/

2D6_77036

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dianne_w/39916768773/

Kay

https://www.flickr.com/photos/158937504@N06/32900323278/

video :)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/anitatg/46823223871/

29559400658_69a75d7bfa_o

https://www.flickr.com/photos/148017961@N05/42076654370/

Leticia 2014

https://www.flickr.com/photos/168801355@N05/46157220854/

A curtsey for Daddy

https://www.flickr.com/photos/debbie_lewissmith/46291398471/

Short floral dress, bare legs and red ballerinas

https://www.flickr.com/photos/161596142@N07/31773423647/

115H2L

https://www.flickr.com/photos/klarissakrass/31898828517/

Having at last found the job I am made for...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/161596142@N07/45876224645/
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/ Re: Sissy stuff to keep warm with during the "VORTEX"?
« Last post by Betty on February 26, 2019, 06:18:54 AM »
Lights flickered a couple more times during the storm but stayed on. Never got any snow in the city, but south of the city they got some with zero visibility at times.

Very low barometer made breathing terrible, with extremely high pulse rates if I tried to move around. It improved a little through yesterday when the barometer started to rise. Had 2, 5 oz. glasses of cheap wine late last night, & my breathing improved a lot. It's still a lot better this morning during the pre-dawn  hours.

Currently a breezy 18F (-8C) with a wind chill of 4F. It's going to be a cold but calm week. We might get 3-5" of snow Wednesday, but that's almost nothing for us & no big deal.

Was 39,000 homes without power in the area yesterday with temperatures in the teens & 20s F. Those gas fired furnace's electronics, thermostat, & blower won't run without electricity. They'll freeze, or their pipes freeze & burst.

I'm lucky that my real crappy in-wall gas furnace right in the apartment uses very little electricity, so I can run the furnace's electronics on battery power all day. But it's a god awful stupid setup. The furnace is at one end of the apartment instead of the middle. So I have to heat that end up to 90F to get the middle of the place up to 60F, & the bathroom up to 50F.

So most of the time I just leave the furnace off. Overnight I just ran a 300 watt dish heater in the bathroom. I also have another one of those on the kitchen counter if I need it. Near me, my O2 machine gives off a lot of heat & I stayed warm under blankets. By this morning it got quite cold though, so I just turned on an 800 watt radiant/reflective heater near me. After it warms stuff up I'll turn it down to 400 watts.

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Just saw some videos posted by friends in Port Dover on Lake Erie. The water is rising fast and many people had to be rescued from their homes. Many businesses flooded as well as the water rises above the pier and covers the beach area. I just looked outside and it is like a blizzard now. Glad you did not loose power for too long and hope it ends soon.
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/ Re: Sissy stuff to keep warm with during the "VORTEX"?
« Last post by Betty on February 24, 2019, 07:26:35 PM »
Power went out for about a half hour, then came on. DSL internet kept cutting out earlier when there was some distant thunder & lightning, but it's steady again now.

The wind storm continues, & snow is coming soon to mix with the wind. It's not supposed to let up until tomorrow afternoon. Windows & doors rattling, house shaking, & huge old trees sway dangerously close to me. I'm surrounded by big old trees.

Power outages & downed trees all over the city & suburbs today.
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I went on a quick trip to get some Gas and groceries this afternoon. The wind was blowing pretty good and as I came out of the shop it was ripping the siding off a house across the road. It has been trying to snow/ hail for a little while now and a friend reported they lost power for a short while at the shop she works in. Betty, hope you are keeping OK and you stay warm and healthy through all this crappy weather.
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/ Re: Sissy stuff to keep warm with during the "VORTEX"?
« Last post by Betty on February 23, 2019, 06:44:50 PM »
Up to 75mph (121kmh) winds expected here from lunchtime Sunday to Monday morning. 70-75mph is considered hurricane force.

Our infrastructure, buildings, & power lines are not designed to handle much above 50-55mph wind here. Our trees don't even grow to handle as much wind as coastal & other areas who get hurricane force winds at least once every year or 2. They're not even the same kind of trees. A 70mph wind here can be as damaging as 150mph in areas used to high winds. It's not our normal climate, & what we're used to or prepared for.

It's like everything closes & people have severe accidents when Virginia or Florida get 1-3" of snow, but 6" of snow here is no big deal. It's what you & your infrastructure is used to.

I don't know if I can survive an extended power outage in my condition. Everybody I know that's still alive lives too far away & can't get here if something goes wrong... especially during a storm. Most of them are almost as old or frail as me, so really couldn't help me get down the stairs, haul my O2, & 31 pound O2 machine down the stairs even if they could make it here in time during a storm.

And what about the cats if I do manage to abandon the place in an emergency?

If power outages were widespread, where would I plug into even if I could get out & seek refuge somewhere. Cell phone towers & lines may be out, so maybe can't call anybody anyway.

If you don't hear from me by Tuesday, I probably didn't pull through the storm OK. This one appears it's gonna be serious. The ones severely disabled or on O2 are the first to be lost in stuff like this.

When the city is swamped with emergency calls & I can't live more than a few minutes without O2 will they get to me in time? I have some backup O2, & a small unreliable weak O2 machine that will run a while on battery packs, but that not enough for a long term serious storm & outage. The smaller weak machine only delivers enough O2 to survive a short time on the best of days at rest. During a storm & outage, I'll probably need much more O2, not less... especially if a window blows out of something.

To make it worse, during storms, the barometer usually drops dramatically, which is the worst thing for my COPD. Low air pressure is like breathing thin air on a small mountain. So even without an outage, I can expect my breathing to become very difficult. When the barometer drops quickly, I don't even have time to adapt & adjust to it.

Local media reports:

From WIVB: Potentially damaging strong wind gusts will sharply increase to 60, and at times up to 75 mph. This increase will begin late morning, with the strongest gusts found in the early-mid afternoon hours. This wind has the potential to break records in Buffalo. Wind damage and power outages are possible, and may take up to 48 hours to fix. This will also result in a significant rise in water levels along eastern Lake Erie, with lakeshore flooding likely. Temperatures plunge into the 20s toward evening. This will result in a flash freeze of any residual water.

From NOAA/gov: .FROM EARLY SUNDAY MORNING THROUGH LATE MONDAY MORNING -- THE STRONGEST WINDS WILL BE SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. WINDS...SOUTHWEST 30 TO 40 MPH WITH GUSTS UP TO 75 MPH. * IMPACTS...STRONG WIND GUSTS WILL BRING DOWN NUMEROUS TREES AND POWER LINES AND RESULT IN WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES. POWER MAY BE OUT FOR SEVERAL DAYS IN SOME AREAS. TRAVEL IN HIGH PROFILE VEHICLES WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT AT TIMES. WIDESPREAD POWER OUTAGES ARE EXPECTED.

From WKBW: Temperatures will tumble through the 40s by lunchtime as wind gusts begin to hit their peak gusts of 60-75mph. The air will continue to cool into the 30s by later in the evening allowing for snow showers to develop dropping 2-3" over portions of Central Erie county, Wyoming and North areas of the Southern Tier. Power outages will begin to occur before noon and travel will be disrupted.

From WGRZ: West winds sustained of 35 to 45 mph with gusts up to 75 mph are possible with the strongest gusts most likely closest to Lake Erie.Winds of this magnitude could knock over trees and cause power outages, especially with saturated grounds from the combination of rainfall and snowmelt from warmer air moving in. Western New Yorkers should prepare for the possibility of power outages that could last several days. A Winter Weather Advisory for Erie, Genesee, Wyoming, Chautauqua and Cattaraugus counties from 3pm Sunday through Monday morning. 2 to 5 inches of lake effect snow and also blowing snow will greatly reduce visibility to near whiteout at times.
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/ Re: Regrettably I see it's time for the Winter Flickr
« Last post by andyg0404 on February 23, 2019, 12:01:31 PM »
Hello everybody and welcome back to My Weekly Flickr.

A little snow this week but nothing significant and another day in the 50’s. It’s supposed to rain tonight but I’m hoping it holds off as I’m meeting my brother for dinner. I walk to the restaurant so no rain will be a bonus.

This week finds me back at the Metropolitan Museum of Art for the recently opened current rotation of the drawing corridor, Selections from the Department of Drawings and Prints: Leonardo da Vinci. 2019 is the 500th anniversary of da Vinci’s death and there will be many exhibits around the world to commemorate it.  This exhibit really came out of nowhere, I don’t ever remember reading an article about the quarterly rotations. And the last one was nothing to really speak of so when I saw this article it quickly caught my attention.

Four Fragile and Rarely Shown Drawings by Leonardo da Vinci Are Going on View at the Met This Month
The quartet is being shown together for the first time in more than 15 years.
https://tinyurl.com/yc4w89p7

This is a link to the Overview page describing the art on display.
https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2019/drawings-and-prints-leonardo-da-vinci

If you read the overview you’ll find this to be a rather eclectic selection broken into several different segments. The four works by da Vinci accompanied by a number of works that copy or mimic his work. Engravings by Albrecht Dürer and late fifteenth Century artists. Then in a complete change, paintings by Edward Penfield for the covers of Harper’s magazines from the turn of the 20th Century as well as illustrations by Winslow Homer from the weekly Harper’s magazine and caricatures by the political cartoonist Thomas Nast. And prints from the early career of Peggy Bacon, a 20th Century American printmaker, illustrator, painter and writer. Her prints in this exhibit are done in drypoint which Wikipeda explains as, “… a printmaking technique of the intaglio family, in which an image is incised into a plate (or "matrix") with a hard-pointed "needle" of sharp metal or diamond point.”

Below are examples of what I saw.

These are the four da Vinci drawings that have been brought out from the archives. They are all very small, the Head of a Man in Profile is roughly 2”x4”, and viewing them on the screen is helpful as you can enlarge them and enjoy the detail. It goes without saying to enlarge all of these images, I was surprised that the Met didn’t offer magnifying glasses, something they’ve done many times before. Perhaps they will at a future date, I visited on opening day.

The Head of the Virgin in Three-Quarter View Facing Right
https://tinyurl.com/y6uzwo8b

Compositional Sketches for the Virgin Adoring the Christ Child, with and without the Infant St. John the Baptist; Diagram of a Perspectival Projection (recto); Slight Doodles (verso)
https://tinyurl.com/ya6e9fgr

Head of a Man in Profile Facing to the Left
https://tinyurl.com/y9d5psd4

Allegory on the Fidelity of the Lizard (recto); Design for a Stage Setting (verso)
https://tinyurl.com/y8u5yabx

These are works done in imitation of da Vinci.

Rembrandt - The Last Supper, after Leonardo da Vinci
https://tinyurl.com/ycvj2az5

Wenceslaus Hollar - A young man caressing an old woman
https://tinyurl.com/ybsvwhdt

Wenceslaus Hollar - Five grotesque heads, including an elderly man with an oak leaf wreath
https://tinyurl.com/y7vsw2wt

Albrecht Dürer - “The First Knot”. Interlaced Roundel with an Oblong Panel in its Center
https://tinyurl.com/yb99z594

Attributed to Giovanni Francesco Melzi - A Grotesque Couple: Old Woman with an Elaborate Headdress and Old Man with Large Ears and Lacking a Chin
https://tinyurl.com/ybz7pxoc

These are drawings that have no direct relation to da Vinci.

Giovanni Battista Palumba - Leda and her children playing with the swan, with a Roman temple in the background
https://tinyurl.com/yb8popzz

Master ES - The Letter E, from The Alphabet
https://tinyurl.com/yaxb82oa

There were half a dozen prints from Peggy Bacon, an American printmaker, illustrator, painter and writer. This is a link to her Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Bacon

John Sloan's Lecture – Sloan was an early 20th Century American painter of the Ashcan school who also lectured. Bacon was a contemporary and friend. I was able to pick up a larger image from MOMA. MOMA doesn’t limit reproduction or enlargement on her prints which the Met does although I can’t say why.
https://www.moma.org/collection/works/71738

The Patroness - This is a rather ironic title of a drypoint print in which she “depicts herself leaning over a chair to show her effort at pet portraiture to a wealthy but unaesthetically sophisticated patron, whose cosseted cat’s toys and food litter the floor.” That quote is from American Women Modernists: The Legacy of Robert Henri, 1910-1945 which I picked up from Google books.
https://www.moma.org/collection/works/71854

These are several of Homer’s prints from Harpers. They were familiar to me from the oil paintings he subsequently created which I’ve linked to below each print.

The Army of the Potomac – A Sharp-Shooter on Picket Duty – From a Painting by Winslow Homer, Esq. (Harper's Weekly, Vol. VII)
https://tinyurl.com/y776vusk
Sharpshooter – Portland Museum of Art
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Winslow_Homer_-_Sharpshooter.jpg

Snap-the-Whip – Drawn by Winslow Homer (Harper's Weekly, Vol. XVII)
https://tinyurl.com/y987azxd
Snap-the-Whip – Metropolitan Museum of Art
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/works-of-art/50.41/

"Dad's Coming!" – Drawn by Winslow Homer (Harper's Weekly, Vol. XVII)
https://tinyurl.com/yaemgn39
“Dad’s Coming” – The National Gallery of Art
https://www.nga.gov/collection/art-object-page.79891.html

These are examples of Thomas Nast’s work.

Portrait of the Artist – He would have been 44 years old in this lithograph and was close to the end of his relationship with Harpers due to the death of the publisher and political disagreements with his editor. You can read about it at the Wikipedia biography. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast
https://tinyurl.com/yb2z5fb3

A Group of Vultures Waiting for the Storm to "Blow Over"–"Let Us Prey" (from Harper's Weekly) – This is a caricature of Boss Tweed, the Democratic boss of Tammany Hall and the leader of the crooked politicians who stole millions of dollars from New York City.
https://tinyurl.com/ybaufl82

Mad Magazine – This is the cover of Mad magazine number 26 which used the above engraving on the front cover. In early Mad magazines the publisher used public domain work along with his hire for work artists. I would guess this was my first encounter with Nast. Mad was a great publication and gave kids their first exposure to culture and the oddities of adult life. My collection covers the first 24 years of the magazine.
https://d1w8cc2yygc27j.cloudfront.net/6736425959883459971/-2295313943573775761.jpg

"What are You Laughing at? To the Victor Belong the Spoils" (from Harper's Weekly) – This is a cover illustration of Tweed.
https://tinyurl.com/y8nvtdpw

Below are a few of Edward Penfield’s covers for Harper’s. They usually had people reading or holding or carrying a magazine. I’ve always enjoyed magazine illustrations which have become big collectibles as you see art from Norman Rockwell, J.C. Leyendecker and N.C. Wyeth among others at the auctions.

Harper's: January 1895
https://tinyurl.com/y9d4yyy4

Harper's, Christmas 1894
https://tinyurl.com/yd4d5qzz

And that’s a sample of everything from the exhibit, as I mentioned an eclectic grouping that I found very enjoyable.

In other art news here’s an article on Degas from Christie’s

The life and art of Edgar Degas
https://tinyurl.com/yysxae2a

And now a collective grouping from the Flickrs.

Andy G.

dress mom – I can’t remember for sure but I think this is one of Daphne’s cartoons.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/15320185@N06/40140579143/

Princess testing

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgaines/43444297100/

GNO

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lisamcd/45979772322/

acu (89)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jessica_dresser/42608991434/

R080

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ashley_stevens/45873504865/

ad80d9a2-e9e1-4ac7-81a2-685320afdf96

https://www.flickr.com/photos/146601549@N03/40234592635/

Red dress and blonde

https://www.flickr.com/photos/valentina_rossi/39815101923/

tdTFrN

https://www.flickr.com/photos/161737682@N07/45888165745/

Anna at home

https://www.flickr.com/photos/nordic_angel/46851698632/

429902549282893040_account_id=1

https://www.flickr.com/photos/valentina_rossi/31528649877/
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/ Re: In the News (with pictures & videos)
« Last post by Betty on February 22, 2019, 10:56:28 AM »
Trump finally gets his Parade -- in Italy, including a 5 story high Warrior God of Trump. Is this what 'Making America Great" means?

Incredible parade. Must see.

Share, like, or repost. It's my job. If you don't like, share, or repost, I don't get paid. Video & music personally edited & mixed by me.

https://youtu.be/Rd-kkik1ps0
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/ Re: Please don't send real small donations
« Last post by Betty on February 21, 2019, 06:21:40 AM »
Thanks. I'll check it out.
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/ Re: Off topic
« Last post by Betty on February 21, 2019, 06:03:18 AM »
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I watch Fox Sports Go on my computer and one day it decided to no longer work with Firefox

Firefox will block stuff, if it detects privacy or security breaches, & threats. I think I read somewhere that Fox sports digs deep into your privacy & browser which some browsers don't allow. They're probably partnered with  Google to allow such privacy breaches.

I've never had a problem using Fox sports with Firefox or Pale Moon. But I've never had to login to use anything there. I always have some stupid hack trick to see what I want to see wherever I go if I really have to (and want to spend the time trying) without having to log in anywhere. If it's too hard or time consuming to do, you can bet some other site or service is offering the same stream or service somewhere else.

Although I may boo Google browsers & software, I do Google to find somewhere else that carries the same material or feed. Google searches are probably the easiest & best way to find anything. Bing, Yahoo, & other searches are light years behind it.

I find no video will play with Firefox, or Pale Moon at MSNBC, NBC, & our local TV NBC affiliate's websites. But they play fine with Waterfox which is built on Firefox, & very similar to Pale Moon. They'll also Play on Opera.

There's no harm on having several browsers on the same computer. They don't take up any space, & don't use any resources when they're not running...except Chrome & Explorer/Edge. Bits of Chrome & Google software are always busy doing something even when you're not using it.

Explorer/Edge is an integral part of windows, windows can't run without it. That is the biggest flaw & risk of Edge/Explorer. You're surfing the web with a part of your OS, integrated right into the heart of Windows. Any attack or infection to the browser is also an attack to the OS. Browsers should be mostly separate, stand alone software for safety, security, & privacy.

So do not surf the web with Explorer/Edge unless you absolutely have to.

You can actually run several different browsers at the same time on most modern machines. It works a computer not much harder than opening several tabs or windows in the same browser.
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