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« on: February 15, 2019, 10:15:43 PM »
Hi Betty,

I just wanted to let you know I finally had my new computer set up today. The tech guy that services my former company came to my home and spent the morning getting it exactly the way I wanted it. Then I took him to lunch and we spent the afternoon looking at my collections. It was a great day for both of us.

Hope the fact that I'm on Windows 10 doesn't cause any problems for the site.

Thanks

Andy G.


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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2019, 07:28:23 PM »
Early versions of W10 would send a half dozen or more crawler bots from a person's computer or from Microsoft's own server to click all over a website every time their user would click on something. So a single click would work a server 6-10 times or even more than a regular user. W10 has calmed down a lot since then, & our security blocks a lot of the bot clicks & crawls they send out these days.

However if you're at a site or revisit a site & it's suddenly slow or unresponsive, it may be just that the server detected way too many clicks coming from a single user in too short a time because of W10 bots & crawls, so it's just temporarily slowing down responding to them, or stopped responding to all clicks from the same machine or ISP.

Windows 7 will continue to be supported until 2020. It will still be safe & secure until at least 2023 as long as you keep your antivirus, other third party security, & browsers updated. Do not ever use Microsoft Edge or Explorer. It's never been as safe, secure, private, fast, or as easy to use as most other popular browsers. Most of their security updates are for Edge, Explorer, Flash, or other nonsense that most sensible computer users don't use anymore anyway.

Windows 7 will also continue to be supported until at least 2023 in China, some other countries, on military machines, government machines, corporate machines, & ATM machines. So you can get copies of their updates from any of those sources if you really want them.

Windows XP is still supported for ATM machines, & other financial transaction machines, including the cash register systems in many of your favorite stores, & restaurants. It's very easy to get the updates for those devices installed on your own XP or W7 computer.

I don't use XP on anything, because W7 is great. It's the best OS on the planet.

The day it's no longer practical & safe to use W7 sometime after 2023, if they haven't come out with something better than W10 by then, I use Linux entirely or get a used Mac... if I'm still alive by then.

Every machine I own now has both W7 & Linux on them. I can chose either one at boot time to boot into. But by default if I don't choose, they'll automatically boot to W7. But I can easily change it to default to Linux in the future.

I have an old iBook I got free broken. I fixed it, but it's no longer supported by Apple. So I put Linux on it & it works fine.

All my phones & tablets are android. Not a fan of Google's android, but my portable android devices work well with it, & were incredibly cheap. My expensive smart phone cost $49 new 2 years ago. My trusty dependable old Samsung smart phone... my favorite one, cost me $45 new almost 8 years ago. My 7" quad core tablet cost me $36 new over 3 years ago, & it still runs excellent.


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Re: Off topic
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2019, 08:23:39 PM »
Hey Betty, I am still using Pale Moon and I think it was you who suggested it but every once in awhile I get Firefox sending me emails so I wondered if that is safe.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2019, 01:31:03 PM »
Pale Moon, & Waterfox are built on an older more customization style of Firefox. So although not identical, they're all almost the same thing in many ways. Pale Moon & Waterfox are what we used to love about Firefox years ago, before Firefox decide it wanted to imitate Google Chrome.

Why would we want a browser that tries to imitate Chrome when Chrome already exists if we want it? So they lost a lot of market share to Chrome just by trying to imitate them. It would be like all Vanilla makers deciding to abandon making vanilla & make imitation chocolate instead. If we're forced to choose between only imitation chocolate or real chocolate because nobody would offer Vanilla anymore, we'd choose the real stuff rather than the imitation, or maybe just switch to strawberry or banana flavor if they refuse to offer vanilla anymore.

Microsoft made the same mistake with Windows 8-10. They decided that their OS should imitate android & iphones & abandon their popular desktop PC format. Most people aren't very computer savvy. If Microsoft is gonna make their computer hard for them, or make them imitate phones, your average person will just walk away from computers & just use their phones or an android tablet instead of something that tries to poorly imitate them.

Most people aren't building websites, producing or editing media, doing presentations, or crunching numbers on a computer. They just need something to get on Facebook with, get email, shop at Amazon, check their bank with, & communicate with contacts with.

So while Microsoft is patting themselves on their backs for still having most the desktop market share, what they failed to notice is because of their poor decisions to force stuff that we don't want on people, that people have abandoned their real computers or desktop for simpler, easier, & cheaper phones & tablets in masses. So there's less people on real computers now than there has been since the mid 1990s.

A simple glance at the stats for Betty's & most websites show that more than half their visitors are visiting on android phones or tablets, & are rarely or never touching a computer anymore thanks to Microsoft's Windows 8-10 shenanigans. And Apple products are way overpriced, but stopped being premium quality devices over a decade ago.

As far as who has the market share of who's online in the USA & wordwide, stats indicate it is android, with more people online with Samsung portable devices than anything else.

Anywho, back to the original topic. I use Pale Moon for almost all my general web surfing. It's faster, more secure, & less bloated for general surfing than the rest. But none of the browsers are perfect. For one thing the owner creator of the group behind Pale Moon is a total jerk. He may ban you from the Pale Moon site & help forum for asking a simple question about a Pale Moon flaw or defect.

He feels everyone there should have absolute praise for their browser. Anyone who hints that there might be a problem with the browser gets immediately banned. LOL, he had no idea who he was dealing with when he did it to me for asking about memory leaks & high CPU usage while on Facebook. I got back in within minute of being banned, just to ask him why the hell did he ban me for asking a simple, plain, technical question. He banned me again without replying & deleted my question.

So "someone" hacked & screwed up his site after that. It took him a couple days to straighten out the mess. I teased him, not to ban professionals asking reasonable professional questions, or they'll show you how pro they really are.

All browsers have the flaws, or conflict with what I want to do. Pale Moon has some memory leaks & higher CPU usage on Facebook, Google Drive, or when working on my YouTube channels. My bank doesn't like Pale Moon. Everything works there except when I try to get at my credit card statements, or try to pay my credit card bill.

So for those things I use Firefox. It works better for those things for me. But at other sites Firefox gets memory leaks, high RAM & CPU usage. It can get quite sluggish & bloated at overloaded sites... even if I spend too much time of Facebook it would start to get really bogged down.

I use Waterfox as my browser to install tons of plug-ins, & extensions to for all sorts of cool features & hack tricks. I don't want to bog down my general browser with all that stuff, so most of my bag of tricks are installed on Waterfox. It's handy because it's still compatable with a lot of cool or older add-ons, that are no longer compatible with Firefox, that I couldn't work without. I even use Waterfox to download & save video off facebook, news sites, & other sites where you can't technically download & save their video or audio.

Basically anywhere I go where I need some hack trick to get something to work the way I want it to work instead how they want it to work, or get something I want, I use Waterfox. Waterfox is my hack tool. Most of my hack tricks are done through Waterfox.

The great thing about all 3 is they have a lot of the same basic programming so my browser user profiles are compatible with all of them. I can copy my user profile from Pale Moon, & overwrite it into the profiles of the Firefox or Waterfox. So basically I can transfer all my bookmarks, passwords, cookies, & preferences, to any of the other browsers. No more lost bookmarks & passwords. I can take that profile on a thumb drive with all that data & put it on my laptop or other computer with Firefox, Pale Moon, or Waterfox on it... even Linux computers.

So all my computers & laptops have my same online passwords, bookmarks, & preferences.

I avoid Google Chrome. It uses too much of my internet connection's bandwidth on it's telemetry/spying like Windows 10 does, but not quite as bad as W10. I'm on slow DSL, so can't afford to have anything consuming my connection for no good reason. Chrome also installs lots of bits of itself all over the computer. A browser should be stand-alone, not infest & embed itself all over inside the computer & attach itself to other programs where it has no business going. It even installs bits of itself into your other browsers without your knowledge of permission.

I believe it's very bad for any browser to install bits or itself on other browsers in your machine. It shouldn't be touching any other browsers on a machine. It can take hours to manually get every bit of Google Chrome out of your computer if you installed it. Normal "uninstall" does not uninstall all of it, just a small bit of it.

I used to like Opera. I liked to use their turbo mode as a poor man's proxy or VPN, or to speed up overloaded sites. It was great & streamlined for phones & android tablets too. But it's gotten weird, slower, & hard to use lately so I don't use it anymore. Pale Moon doesn't do well on android. So I'm using only Firefox on the android stuff.

I try & test just about every browser out there a couple times a year. I actually earn a little bit of money writing reviews about them too, so really have to study them. That's how I learned to keep more than 1 browser on a machine, & know all the tricks & drawbacks they all have.

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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2019, 11:58:21 PM »
Thank you for the info Betty, as always you are a fountain of information. I have avoided Google Chrome but sometimes when I log on to my yahoo mail it asks to install Chrome. I also have a hotmail acct. but it never asks to install Chrome. I don't use that account much as it was set up for my business many years ago. I have noticed when I use facebook to keep in touch with relatives that it sometimes slows down and I cannot sign off right away and it is sometimes when a video is trying to load so I have to cancel that out to exit but I don't go to facebook too often. 

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2019, 04:12:59 PM »
Hi,

For years I used Chrome but finally realized it was becoming a really bad choice, only slightly better than Internet Explorer so I decided to more or less just use Firefox. Due to the quirks of the Internet I've had to use Chrome or I/E for certain sites. I thought that might go away with my new machine but I see that's not the case. I watch Fox Sports Go on my computer and one day it decided to no longer work with Firefox. I did all sorts of machinations suggested by Firefox and subsequently Fox, none of which would restore it. Then Fox asked if it worked on Chrome and I said yes but that I preferred not to use Chrome. They wrote back to say that Chrome was their platform and as long as it worked on Chrome that was all they cared about. So when I hooked up my new machine I was curious as to what would happen with Fox and now I know. It will not work with Firefox, Edge or I/E. Only with Chrome. With the other three browsers I can log in, bring up the show, click on it and it shows the processing that precedes loading the show but then it just stops leaving the black screen. One more bafflement to me.

Andy G.

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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2019, 05:25:08 AM »
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I have avoided Google Chrome but sometimes when I log on to my yahoo mail it asks to install Chrome

I still have some Yahoo accounts too. Funny, they keep asking me to install Firefox even when I'm on Firefox at the time, or on Pale Moon -- a divergent of Firefox.

I think Chrome is so popular because it comes bundled with so much other software that automatically install it unless you manually install the software, & specifically find & check "no" that you don't want it. It seems almost any software I want to install these days tries to sneak google into the installation.

If you accidentally install it, uninstall does not remove all of google. Google infests the machine & you have to manually track down & remove every bit of it.

I use quite a few Google services... even pay for some that I really need. But I won't install Google stuff on my machine, because I find bits of google in my machine where it has no business being, & has no good reason for being there. I mean really, what possible purpose does it serve for google to install its software on your other browsers other to muck up your other browser's performance so it looks bad, serve ads on them, or spy on you?

I did not give them permission to take over, monitor, or corrupt my other browsers, or infest my computer, & they did not notify me that they would do it.

No browser should be installing stuff on your other browsers & infesting it.

If Google would just keep their hands to themselves, stand alone, leave my other browsers, & computer alone rather than infesting it, I'd probably use chrome. The browser itself isn't a bad browser.

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« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2019, 06:03:18 AM »
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I watch Fox Sports Go on my computer and one day it decided to no longer work with Firefox

Firefox will block stuff, if it detects privacy or security breaches, & threats. I think I read somewhere that Fox sports digs deep into your privacy & browser which some browsers don't allow. They're probably partnered with  Google to allow such privacy breaches.

I've never had a problem using Fox sports with Firefox or Pale Moon. But I've never had to login to use anything there. I always have some stupid hack trick to see what I want to see wherever I go if I really have to (and want to spend the time trying) without having to log in anywhere. If it's too hard or time consuming to do, you can bet some other site or service is offering the same stream or service somewhere else.

Although I may boo Google browsers & software, I do Google to find somewhere else that carries the same material or feed. Google searches are probably the easiest & best way to find anything. Bing, Yahoo, & other searches are light years behind it.

I find no video will play with Firefox, or Pale Moon at MSNBC, NBC, & our local TV NBC affiliate's websites. But they play fine with Waterfox which is built on Firefox, & very similar to Pale Moon. They'll also Play on Opera.

There's no harm on having several browsers on the same computer. They don't take up any space, & don't use any resources when they're not running...except Chrome & Explorer/Edge. Bits of Chrome & Google software are always busy doing something even when you're not using it.

Explorer/Edge is an integral part of windows, windows can't run without it. That is the biggest flaw & risk of Edge/Explorer. You're surfing the web with a part of your OS, integrated right into the heart of Windows. Any attack or infection to the browser is also an attack to the OS. Browsers should be mostly separate, stand alone software for safety, security, & privacy.

So do not surf the web with Explorer/Edge unless you absolutely have to.

You can actually run several different browsers at the same time on most modern machines. It works a computer not much harder than opening several tabs or windows in the same browser.

 

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